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> Despite all our knowledge of human nature, it is unclear just how naturally brutish man is, how much this has change over our history (plenty to suggest we’re less violent than our ancestors but it’s debated)

I thought we actually have decent grounding here.

For hunter gatherer males before agriculture, the rate is something like 30-50% chance of violent death in their lifetime. If you put it in terms of violent deaths per 100k, they're averaging about 1030. Some of the most warlike HG tribes we've seen historically top at 1500.

> and how much the male proclivity for violence varies over the population.

For more recent non-state hunter gatherers 1800 - today they've come down to ~520.

Here's a table I made showing rates for one of my own substack posts:

https://imgur.com/a/J1bcPPG

And of course for modern states like Europe and the US, if you include homicides we're at rates between 0.2 (Japan), ~1 (most of Europe), and ~7 (USA) today.

This overall narrative arc of progressively reducing violence is basically the narrative in Stephen Pinkers Better Angels of our Nature.

> It seems like there could have been and still be a lot of things that domesticate and/or pacify men so that we act less troglodytian.

Yes, have you read Richard Wrangham's *The Goodness Paradox?* It's about our self-domestication as a species. Amazingly readable and accessible book, like most of his books. I think a combination of this and Geoffrey Miller's *The Mating Mind* covers the forces making us less troglodytian. Broadly, it's sexual selection for hundreds of thousands of years, then the Tyranny of the Cousins for a few hundred thousand.

This is directly contrasted with our confreres the Neanderthals, and our likely-ancestors H Heidelbergensis, who were not domesticated and so had massively higher testosterone, and likely much higher reactive aggression. This led to them having much lower group sizes, and our self domestication was like a super weapon that led to us wiping them (and every other) hominin species out in our last out-migration from Africa after the Cognitive Revolution 50kya.

I wrote about this in a different substack post, but don't want to seem like I'm spamming your comment section, so won't leave a link to any of them unless asked.

In terms of Neanderthal violent death rates per 100k, it's difficult to estimate, but if you count hunting accidents, it would be significantly higher than ours - they were more or less obligate carnivores, the majority of their diet was meat according to dentin studies, and so they had to hunt for food much more often than H Sap did, and their life expectancy was quite a bit shorter than H Sap hunter gatherer life expectancies. Contemporary HG's like the Hadza live to their mid 70's, and adult Neanderthals lived to their early 40's or so on average (so that's not the typical "medieval people only lived to 40" misunderstanding driven by high infant mortality), and the majority of skeletal remains found have signs of injury or violent death.

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Hans Koppies's avatar

Thanks, interesting take on Father Time. I've just started reading Father Time when I came across your post. I've read several books of Sarah Blaffer Hrdy, she's a great scholar and an inspiring writer. Sarah Blaffer Hrdy: “Human males may nurture their young a little, a lot, or not at all” (Mothers and Others, 2009: 162). I am very curious how her journey got Hrdy from this universal truth to this point that you mention: "My unexpected finding is that inside every man there lurk ancient caretaking tendencies that render a man every bit as protective and nurturing as the most committed mother. After all: “Of all the casts of characters in this melodrama the role of the father is the most subject to creative script variation” - David Lancy (The Anthropology of Childhood - Cherubs, Chattel, Changelings, 2022: 131).

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